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Buying leads – is it worth it? (and how to make it more profitable)

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Buying leads can be a great way to get some sales in the door quickly, but there are also a few situations where buying leads may not be a good idea.

In one of my upcoming podcasts I will be talking about different levels of marketing. The basic premise of marketing levels is that Level 1 marketing tactics are easy to implement (anyone can do it), don’t require much up-front investment of time or money, get to their results quickly (either positive or negative), and are non-unique (meaning you’re not different from anybody else). Typically, these are methods where the more you spend the more you get.

One popular Level 1 marketing tactic is buying leads. The theory is that someone else has invested the time and effort to build an online brand, put the effort into search engine optimization, and has contact information for prospective customers to sell to you. In theory, this is a fantastic idea. I can skip the time and investment needed to build up an online brand and a marketing campaign, and can simply pay for the number of leads that I want to pursue. Hopefully I can get instant sales results as well.

There are situations where this works, and this can work really well for some people. I have some clients who have done really well buying leads. I also have a number of clients who have found out what to avoid when buying leads.

Number one is to be sure you’re buying real leads. Unfortunately, some companies sell names or contact information of people who haven’t actually indicated an interest in the service that you’re offering. A real lead would be someone who has indicated an interest in hiring a service provider at some point. A fake one would be somebody who maybe just bought the name from a list and is reselling it.

Second, you want to make sure you’re buying quality leads. I ran a big marketing marketing campaign for a compliance software solution. We got a number of leads in from different trade shows that we went to. We also got leads in through search engine optimization, through getting our web pages found.

When we crunched the numbers we found out that the leads obtained through SEO were at least a hundred times more valuable than the leads obtained from a trade show. Sure, everybody had opted in. Everyone at the trade show said that they were interested in follow-up; they wanted to get more information. Everybody who came to our website said that they were interested in follow-up and they wanted to get more information.

But the fact is that probably 30-40% of the people that came in on the website ended up buying a software package that was worth anywhere from $30,000 to $70,000 for the contract price. Of the people who told us at the trade show that they wanted more information, that they were interested in the product and wanted more follow-up, less than one of a hundred actually made a purchase. What we found was that the ones who opted in on our website, that had come in through search engine optimization, were really, desperately wanting a solution to their problem. The ones who opted in at the trade show may have been just excited in the moment, or maybe they wanted to be entered into our drawing, or maybe they just told us they’re interested so they could take more candy. Who knows?

The cost of these leads was far higher than what we spent on obtaining the lead. Of course, going to the trade show you have all the costs of the booth and sending the people there, etc., but it’s not just the cost per lead. It’s the amount of time spent. So when you factor in all the time the sales reps spent following up on these leads that were not really that interested, the costs were much higher than the actual sticker price, whereas the cost or the time spent following up on the people who opted in through the search engine proved to be extremely valuable.

I’ll give you another example of where buying leads can not work for you. I had a real estate client that wanted a tool to give people on their website an estimate of their home value. A number of companies have databases of home values and they maintain them and calculate them with different methods. I went to one company that that offered this tool for realtors to put on their website, and before I put it on my client’s website I tested the tool.

So I filled out my name and address and said, “Hey, can I get the current value of my home?” That’s what the web page said it would offer. Give us your name and email address and phone number, and then we will email you a report that says how much your home is worth.

I filled out the form and entered it, and I did not receive a report with my home value. Instead I received a link to local realtors. Then, immediately, within a matter of minutes, I began getting phone calls. And I continued getting phone calls for weeks from different realtors who had been told that I wanted to buy a home and that I was searching for a home in the neighborhood. And I received lots of calls from mortgage brokers as well, offering me a loan, because they had been told that I was buying a home.

So this company obtained my contact information on a false pretext and they turned around and sold it to dozens of people, also on a false pretext. I had no interest in purchasing a home. I owned a home, and I was just curious how much my home was worth. So all of those people paid for a lead of someone who wanted a mortgage or someone who wanted to purchase a home, and the information was totally bogus.

I have clients that have experienced something similar with other companies where they purchased leads and called up the leads that they purchased, and the people were irate. They were upset. They said they’re not interested, they never wanted to be called, and they’ve been hounded by other callers as well.

Of course, if someone does fill out a form to get quotes, they can be very serious about making a purchase. They could also fill out a form and forget that they actually did. That’s a possibility.

Some of my clients have had some success with HomeAdvisor. That’s one that does have a very legitimate approach to collecting and selling leads. Most of my clients that have used that service have typically only gotten moderate results, but some have done really well. There are two keys to success with buying leads from HomeAdvisor.

(1) You have to call right away. HomeAdvisor sells the lead to several people at once, so if you are not able to follow up immediately when a lead comes in, you’re at a big disadvantage.

(2) You need to filter what you’re buying, and only buy leads for high-margin services. If you’re buying leads for low-ticket or low-margin services, the HomeAdvisor leads will be too expensive, and will erode your entire margin.

One of the factors that affect the value of leads you buy is that you don’t know exactly how interested people are when they’re filling out that particular form. The other is that you have a lot of people following up.

So if you don’t want to invest in your website, if you don’t want to invest in your online brand, if you don’t want to put in the effort to develop a good marketing campaign, then buying leads can be a real shortcut to filling your sales funnel and getting you started in business. If you find a good source and you find that it’s effective for you, it can be a great way to grow your business. Just be sure to do your due diligence about the company that you’re buying leads from. And also calculate the real costs of the lead, including your time spent on follow-up. And cut your losses early if the leads cost more than they’re worth, or if you could invest that same money somewhere else or that same time somewhere else and get a better result.

And, of course, if you’re ready to invest in your online presence in order to get highly qualified, exclusive leads through search engine optimization, feel free to email or call me so we can figure out a plan for you.

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Distinctions: More versus Less

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We sometimes think that life will get better if we have more, but the reality is that life usually improves with subtraction, not addition.

Hi, this is Steve Johnsen and I want to talk to you today about a distinction called “More versus Less.”

A distinction is something that you see about how things work in life, and once you see it, you get it. It’s not necessarily a fact you learn or a new piece of information, but it’s something you have to see.

This distinction today, “More versus Less,” can also be called “Addition versus Subtraction.”

A lot of times you might think, “Life will get better if I add more things to my life.”

“Life will get better if I have a boat.”

“Life will get better if I have a second car.”

“Life will get better if I add a new gadget.”

“Life will get better if I add a new activity.”

“Life will get better if I add more friends.”

“Life will get better if I sign up for a dance class.”

But the reality is that very often life gets better not with more but rather with less?if I get rid of some of my stuff, if I don’t have that boat, if I don’t have this extra stuff sitting around my house, if I don’t have the second car or the third car. Or if I drop some of the activities out of my life and drop some of my responsibilities, then I find that all of a sudden I’m much more creative and I’m much more free.

We think that if we go and get a new toy, that will make us happier. As parents, we noticed something very surprising with our children. The more toys we gave them, the less happy they were. They were happiest when they only had a few toys.

And it wasn’t just toys, or “stuff.” We think people will be happier with more entertainment, but that’s just not true. Children who watch one hour of TV a week, generally speaking, are much, much happier that those who watch several hours a day. The one show is really special for them. And they learn to be happy and productive with the time in between.

The same is true for activities. Running from school?to dance class?to soccer?to piano lessons?to tae kwon do?to ceramics?to the modeling coach?is a formula for stress, not for happiness.

Not only children are happier with less, but adults are too. Let’s say I want to go do some camping and I want to go buy an RV. I go buy my RV and I’m so happy. I’m going to take it out and go camping.

But once I have the RV, I’ve got to deal with finding a place to park it. It’s not allowed in my neighborhood. And I have to do a lot of maintenance that takes time out of my day. Then, after going on five camping trips in two or three months, it really kind of loses its appeal, and maybe I don’t want to go quite so often. There are other things that I want to do.

And now I’ve got this RV sitting there in my rented storage space, and I’ve got to take it in regularly for maintenance. And when I’m going to go on a trip, I have to get out the RV and get it all set up. Pretty soon I realize, “Man, this would be a lot simpler if when I want to go RVing, I could rent an RV. Or, sometimes I could go on a trip and just stay in a hotel. Or I could throw a tent in the back of my car and set up a tent.”

You see, adding stuff is not always the best way.

We can make the same mistake in our personal lives, thinking that if I add activities or add friends or add new things in my life, it will make me happier, when actually, what I really need to do is sit down and go through all the things that I am doing and all that things that I do have and consider what is really giving me pleasure and what’s really important to me and what I could just stop right now and it would free up time for something else.

Professionally, it’s subtraction, rather than addition, that is the path to success. Gary Keller wrote a book called “The One Thing” that talks about figuring out the one thing you need to do for business success, and then letting everything else go. Darren Hardy in his success course teaches something very similar. If you want to be really successful, don’t write a list of all the new things that you should add into your daily schedule. Instead, take assessment of all the things that you’re doing in your job, and figure out what you will eliminate and not do any more. You can call that your not-to-do list. In reality, your not-to-do list is so much more powerful than your to-do list!

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Twice for Transformation

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I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who had practiced one kick 10,000 times.
– Bruce Lee

The first time I read something I can get some good information. The second time I read it, it starts to sink in and transformation takes place. The third time I read it, it starts to crystallize inside me.

Once for information.

Twice for transformation.

Three times for crystallization.

There’s a fallacy that growth, forward progress and success is about getting more information. If I just read enough books, go to enough seminars, listen to enough audios, watch the right videos, then I’ll get the information that I need to be successful.

That’s why the self-help industry, and the info-marketers in particular, are making billions of dollars. People go from one how-to system to another, from one seminar to another, from one home study course to another, looking for the magic information bullet.

It doesn’t work that way. It’s not about information. If information worked to change our lives, we’d all be beautiful, healthy, thin, rich and popular. Transformation starts to take place the second time you go through the material. And the real shifts happen on the third and fourth time through, as you are practicing what you learn.

As Bruce Lee said, the formidable opponent is not the one who has learned 10,000 kicks. It’s the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.

You don’t need to read 10 sales books to be successful in sales. You don’t even need to read everything in one book. You can take one chapter and practice it over and over until you become formidable.

Sometimes in my emails, I’m sending out what is (hopefully) good information. But often I’m focused on creating distinctions. Distinctions are the insights that come, the things that you see that you can’t unsee. Like how gravity works. If you let go of a book, it’s going to fall. You don’t know it because you learned that as a fact in school; you know it because you’ve seen how gravity works and you’ve internalized it as part of your reality. Believe it or not, before Galileo, people didn’t understand quite how gravity worked. But after Galileo showed them, they saw it and it couldn’t be unseen.

So if you read something to help you with your business, read it from a different place. Create a space in your reading where insights can come and “ahas” can happen. Slow down. If something moves you, read it again. Then again. And practice and apply what you read. Because otherwise it’s just information.

Steve Johnsen, MBASteve Johnsen is a marketing strategist, a business coach, and the Founder of Cloud Mountain Marketing. He is also the author of the Amazon #1 best-seller, 5 Easy Steps to Make Your Website Your #1 Employee.

Filed Under: Business inspiration, Key distinctions, Personal development

Antifragile

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We hear a lot about resilience. People talk about being okay in spite of circumstances. And we’ve all experienced the opposite, being hurt by something that happened to us, either physically or psychologically.

But there’s a third state of being that we all have access to that may benefit us even more.

The scholar Nassim Nicholas Taleb wrote about this third state of being in his book Antifragile. He observed that there are things which are easily broken (fragile), and things which are not easily broken (resiliant). He coined the word antifragile to describe things which are made stronger by volatility, stress and adversity.

There are materials that illustrate this. Glass is robust up to a certain point, but then it shatters with the right amount of stress in a sudden shock. Brass is fairly resilient. You can drop it, step on it or throw it and it will not shatter. But a bicycle frame made out of carbon nanotubes actually gets stronger when you pound on it. Instead of labeling, “Fragile. Handle with care,” you could label the antifragile package, “Benefits from shock.”

A fire is also a good illustration. A candle is fragile, and is easily blown out by a slight breath. A blow torch is resilient. It is not easily blown out, even in very windy conditions. But a forest fire is antifragile. The more you blow on it, the hotter it burns. If you throw logs in front of a forest fire to try to stop it, you only feed the fire.

Our bodies are mostly antifragile. Without stress, our muscles and bones become weak. Stress, resistance and a constantly changing outward environment is what makes us stronger (within reason of course).

What we don’t realize is that fragility, resilience and antifragility are also emotional states that we can choose in response to any situation. Say something bad about me, and I could crumble (fragile), or I may not care (resilient). Or I may decide to work harder to prove you wrong (antifragile).

The more I am conscious of this choice that I have, the better my life will be. In my life, at any given moment there are things that I am upset about (fragile), things that I am indifferent to (resilient), and things that have me upping my game (antifragile).

We love movies about antifragile people. Rocky. Rudy. Remember the Titans. How much more powerful we will be in our business and in our daily lives when we choose to live the same way. Antifragile is a place to come from, in the way we work, in the way we interact with people. Put a label on yourself, “Benefits from shock,” or, “Benefits from adversity.” Be the kite that rises against the wind.

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Steve Johnsen, MBASteve Johnsen is a marketing strategist, a business coach, and the Founder of Cloud Mountain Marketing. He is also the author of the Amazon #1 best-seller, 5 Easy Steps to Make Your Website Your #1 Employee.

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How hard will you “try”?

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“Do or do not. There is no try.” – Yoda

The legendary English hypnotist and stage performer Darren Brown once gave a back-stage, behind-the-scenes interview where he explained how he does some of his hypnotism acts. When Darren puts someone in a hypnotic state, their subconscious mind is in control. Then when he tells them, “Try to remember your name,” or “Try to stand up and walk,” they cannot do it.

This always amazes the conscious audience members. To them it appears that Darren told them to walk. They don’t realize that by saying, “Try to walk,” he commanded them to stay put. As Darren explains it, the word “Try” is a trigger for failure.

If I say I’m going to “try” to make 10 cold calls today, I’m unconsciously programming my brain for failure. If I’m going to “try” to meet my sales goals, I will most likely fall short.

How about “trying” to do nothing today? Simply decide what you want to accomplish, and get it done.

To your success!

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Three words that guarantee failure

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Steve Johnsen, MBASteve Johnsen is a marketing strategist, a business coach, and the Founder of Cloud Mountain Marketing. He is also the author of the Amazon #1 best-seller, 5 Easy Steps to Make Your Website Your #1 Employee.

Filed Under: Business coaching, Business inspiration, Key distinctions, Personal development, Podcasts

Three words that guarantee failure

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There are three words you can use that guarantee failure in just about any endeavor, including both business and personal life.

My friend Gary Barnes (who happens to be one of America’s leading business coaches) does an exercise in his boot camps. He asks everyone in the audience to put their pen on the table, and then instructs them to try to pick it up. Most people figure out after 2-3 times how to follow the instructions correctly—“Trying” to pick up the pen is not the same as actually picking it up!

Darren Brown, the English stage hypnotist and magician, mystifies audiences using the same words. He explained in a rare behind-the-scenes documentary interview that when he gets people in a hypnotic state and tells them, “Try to stand up,” or “Try to lift your hand,” or, “Try to remember your name,” they cannot stand or move their hand or say their name. The reason is that the subconscious mind knows that the word, “Try,” is a command to fail. This seems amazing to the audience looking on, because they generally do not make that connection.

The words, “I will try,” sound very positive, but in fact are a code for, “I am not committed to seeing this happen.” If I ask a client to send over the headshots for their new website and they say “I will try,” I know that it will never really happen. Remember when Luke Skywalker’s spaceship was stuck in the swamp? Luke thought it would be too hard, so when Yoda told him to get it out of the swamp, he said “I will try.” In the immortal words of Yoda, “Do or do not. There is no try.” Gary Barnes has created a new icon:

Try Zone

I have almost no sense of balance and even less grace on my feet. (If you see me on the ski slopes, get far, far out of the way!) When I was a freshman in college, I took an ice skating class. I was determined that I was going to learn to skate, or else break some bones in the attempt. At the end of the course my teacher told me, “Steve, I’ve been teaching ice skating for 18 years, and I have never had another student who fell down as much as you.” But despite all the falls during the learning process, I was skating, and enjoying it immensely!

To your success!

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